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jenett ([personal profile] jenett) wrote2013-07-24 09:01 am

Eighth Salon: Quality of Life

Welcome to our eighth salon discussion thread. Wander in, invite a friend to come along, and chat! (Not sure what's going on? Here, have a brief FAQ.) You can find previous ones in my salon tag. Please take a quick look at the reminders at the bottom of this post, too.

Quality of life: what does it mean for you?

I was thinking, walking home from work the other day, that there's a lot of different kinds of things that make up quality of life, the "This is a good day" and "I like how I'm living".

In my current job, I don't make much money (especially given the amount of education required). But I live half a mile from work, in a gorgeous rural New England town where pretty much every view could be on a postcard. (And that's before you get to anything significantly scenic.) There's a downtown grocery store with local produce, and farmer's markets, and all sorts of other things.

I have a job that I mostly leave at work (I mean, I keep thinking about technology and libraries and information pretty much all the time, but that's because I love it, not because I have to bring work home). I have the world's most endearing and adorable cat.

But I also know that these things aren't necessarily what other people would choose (or what I'd choose at other points in my life, or if I lived in a different place, or had more money to play with.)

Things I'm watching: I'm currently rewatching season 3 of Doctor Who (I've been a fan since before I knew you could be: I grew up watching Tom Baker from under a chair in the living room.) Tonight, I'm going to go see the Joss Whedon Much Ado About Nothing for the second time so I can go with a friend (and because, on the whole, I would like to encourage people to do more projects of that kind.) What're you watching? Why is it interesting to or fun for you?

(This means I'll be out from 5ish until 9:30ish tonight. I assume you can all manage in my absence.)

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[personal profile] kaberett 2013-07-24 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd love to know what you think of the Whedon Much Ado - it's my absolute favourite Shakespeare; I spent Monday night watching a brilliant open-air production of it, and might go again before it closes on Saturday. MY FAVOURITE, seriously. Beatriiiiice.

Otherwise, I'm not really watching anything - I'm just incredibly excited about both Elementary s2 and Korra s2, both due to start airing in September, and the Korra trailer that got released last week.

I'm reading (slowly) Derek Walcott's Omeros; and Frances Hodgson Burnett's The Lost Prince, at the repeated urging of [personal profile] surexit :-)


-- quality of life -- having access to sunshine. And to food that I will reliably eat. And to things that are calming, in sensory terms - my heavy blanket. But mostly? Feeling useful. So -- volunteering is something I get a lot out of, but it's best if I get thanked, and in turn this is prompting me to make sure I thank co-volunteers for work they do, because that is how community happens. And it makes me feel better, even when I don't get thanked in turn, because it reminds me that I'm not the only person putting work in, and that other people do appreciate my work even if they don't say it. So there's a thing.
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[personal profile] kaberett 2013-07-24 02:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Hah, one of my projects for this summer is to convert the Alternity PDFs into ebooks. I'm currently blocking on it because I can't work out how to deal with comments nicely (suggestions/thoughts/brainstorming on that topic all very welcome!).

I think I agree about visible change being its own reward; I guess with thanks I'm probably actually particularly thinking about [community profile] vaginapagina, where it's more a very slow, very lengthy ongoing community-building process, and results of actions don't... really have a huge impact on the community. (Being reminded that bugfixes for "small" stuff DW-side do actually improve people's general experience, rather than me feeling like I've done things that nobody but me cares about, is also helpful - but again, that's subtly different from thanks. "Recognition" is maybe better?)
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Rambling: Quality of Life, Health, Meaning, Purpose

[personal profile] untonuggan 2013-07-25 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
[I started reading [personal profile] kaberett and then my comment a-sploded. Including it in this thread because that's where the thought originated].

Okay, so yes, there's the whole hierarchy of needs thing.

I think (?) some people - myself included at one point - might include "good health" among quality of life. Am thinking of a line from Disney's Robin Hood in which Sir Hiss states that, "If you haven't got your health, you haven't got anything." Which I now do without. And yeah, it frelling sucks at times. The doctor's appointments, the pain, the paperwork, the pain, the lack of income, the pain, etc. Does that mean I have no quality of life? No.

What takes away quality of life the most, in my opinion (and bear in mind that I am stating this for me not Every-Person-With-Disabilities-Ever) is the attitude that I have no quality of life and that I have nothing to contribute to society because I am unable to do "substantial gainful activity" (legal term).

Typical small talk:
Stranger: So, what do you do?
Me: I have a disability, so I fill my days with crafting and friendship and video games.
*awkward silence*

Anyway, the thing is that I do fill my days with meaning. For me that may be crafting and friendship and video games. For someone else, that might be something completely different. But the trick is to find meaning, something, whether it's collecting pins or eating Wensleydale cheese or saving Gotham. If you have that thing to cling to, even when you have a day when all your other needs are not being met, you can cling to that.

/ramble